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in watertown, nbc news justice correspondent and atf agent james cavanaugh and analyst roger cressy. live in watertown, we were listening together as kerry sanders was moved further and further back. what are you seeing? >> he is a few blocks away from here, but we are not hearing anything that he is hearing. it's quiet in this part of watertown. the helicopter that had been circling for the past few hours is no longer here. we have seen tactical units leave and others come back in. we haven't seen anything like kerry has been seeing a few blocks away from where we are standing. we don't want to give away too much because the police asked that we don't give out tactical information, but we are going on hour ten of a lockdown. people are not outside. maybe all of four or five residents come around to the area. that's very unusual whenever there is a media staging area people ask what is going on. we have seen none of that. people are heeding the warnings to stay inside. police have been going from door-to-door trying to see if they can find suspect number two, the guy in the white hat
in watertown, nbc news justice correspondent and atf agent james cavanaugh and analyst roger cressy. live in watertown, we were listening together as kerry sanders was moved further and further back. what are you seeing? >> he is a few blocks away from here, but we are not hearing anything that he is hearing. it's quiet in this part of watertown. the helicopter that had been circling for the past few hours is no longer here. we have seen tactical units leave and others come back in. we...
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cressy. roger, i want to go to a phrase that the vice president used today just in the speech we saw him give. he referred to them as knockoff jihadis. what do you make of his use of that phrase? >> lawrence, i think that's just a reference to they were not part of an organized part. they were not part of the broader network, self-radicalized, lone wolfs, or as brian jenkins, a longtime terrorism analyst would call them, stray dogs. i think he was trying to drive home the point, even if you have individuals who have done such heinous acts, while they may be part of a broader movement in a general sense, they pose a threat, but it's a threat we can deal with. and of course, resiliency in boston has been the key word since the attacks last monday. >> let's listen to what secretary of state john kerry said today in brussels. >> we just had a young person who went to russia and chechnya who blew people up in boston. so he didn't stay where he went, but he learned something where he went and came
cressy. roger, i want to go to a phrase that the vice president used today just in the speech we saw him give. he referred to them as knockoff jihadis. what do you make of his use of that phrase? >> lawrence, i think that's just a reference to they were not part of an organized part. they were not part of the broader network, self-radicalized, lone wolfs, or as brian jenkins, a longtime terrorism analyst would call them, stray dogs. i think he was trying to drive home the point, even if...
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michael isikoff was moved into watertown and there is roger cressy. he's in washington. roger, let's widen this and talk about whatever you can add as to where these tentacles are going to take us before we're all done here. >> well, brian, up until 5:00 last night this really was a domestic phenomenon. i talked to some of my friends, and those with the international responsibility said we're just sitting and watching right now because this looks very localized. and now, of course, since these individuals have been identified, there's been rapid movement as we're reaching out to liaison services throughout the world. we're going to be spinning up counterterrorism talks with russians, with their fbi equivalent to try to determine if they have any information here. but it's still very early on. what we do know is that this was part local domestic and part international now. they have been in the united
michael isikoff was moved into watertown and there is roger cressy. he's in washington. roger, let's widen this and talk about whatever you can add as to where these tentacles are going to take us before we're all done here. >> well, brian, up until 5:00 last night this really was a domestic phenomenon. i talked to some of my friends, and those with the international responsibility said we're just sitting and watching right now because this looks very localized. and now, of course, since...
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. >> let me go back to roger cressi because we don't want to generalize on here. i like to find patterns. it's easier if you can figure out what is going on and everything being phenomenal and chaotic, you'd like to think -- when people are willing to kill people by the numbers, lots of people, it's usually a deep religious thing, like the crusades, they are in the way of god and then they die, or the soviet cold war where you deeply believe in communism and the ends justify the means or you're crazy. but normal people don't usually start out by killing people, putting a bomb or two bombs at a finish line of a marathon race. so you have to ask the question, what's the deep motivation if it's not religion or ideology or a combination of the two, then we're left with nothing to go on. >> right. >> that's where we are looking for a pattern. >> i've not bought into the theories just yet because i'm going to wait for the facts but you've seen political, individual disenfranchisement for a whole reason that have nothing to do with al qaeda. all we know is that the older
. >> let me go back to roger cressi because we don't want to generalize on here. i like to find patterns. it's easier if you can figure out what is going on and everything being phenomenal and chaotic, you'd like to think -- when people are willing to kill people by the numbers, lots of people, it's usually a deep religious thing, like the crusades, they are in the way of god and then they die, or the soviet cold war where you deeply believe in communism and the ends justify the means or...
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let's bring in terrorism expert rog cressy. roger, what's the latest on your end? i'm specifically interested in your take on governor patrick's words to the city, to stay in their homes. do you think that means maybe they do not have dzhokhar cornered? and are still worries he may be on the loose? >> i think what it means is there's part of this picture that law enforcement really doesn't have their arms around right now. and there are potential unknowns here that could be quite deadly. they're being very cautious. it's a surreal scene in boston right now. but it's being done for a very important reason. if these two individuals were -- had accomplices, then they have to be prudent and assume there could be additional devices. we've seen one identified and rendered safe already. so they're doing what is in the abundance of caution category. and it strikes me as the right thing to do. >> without speculating on the motives of these particular individuals which we can't know at this point, i was wondering if you could talk to us a little bit about chechnya and a hist
let's bring in terrorism expert rog cressy. roger, what's the latest on your end? i'm specifically interested in your take on governor patrick's words to the city, to stay in their homes. do you think that means maybe they do not have dzhokhar cornered? and are still worries he may be on the loose? >> i think what it means is there's part of this picture that law enforcement really doesn't have their arms around right now. and there are potential unknowns here that could be quite deadly....